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Upcoming 2012 Rally Input

8 years 1 month ago #2982 by douglawyer@gmail.com
Now that we are officially taking volunteers for the upcoming rally, I would like to again ask for club input on the upcoming rally.

After much talk, input, suggestions, and thoughts from members, it seems that Lake Havasu/Parker Arizona may be the location for the 2012 rally. This new location will bring a new spin on the rally, bringing us new trails that only a few members have run before. And because of the unfamiliar trails, we are working with a local 4x4 club in the area to act as "guides" for our in-club trail leaders. This will prevent the long drive and time commitment for the trail leaders from actually having to drive to the area multiple times to pre-run each trail.

We would like to hear any input for the upcoming rally. We want to know what you liked about previous rallies, and what you disliked about previous rallies. Tell us what you would like added, or what you want to go away.

We hope that by possibly moving the rally to Western Arizona, this will help attract even a larger attendance, bringing members from Land Rover Clubs from Southern California, Northern California, and Las Vegas as well.

Please give us your input! So far from feedback from last year's rally we have heard the following:

Women Only Run
Dog-Friendly Events
Larger Kids Raffle
Bigger Vendor Night
Instructional Classes
Car Show
Better Food


We look forward to hearing from you!

Thanks, Doug

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8 years 1 month ago #3002 by LeBlanc
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After being involved in the last rally which was great, a couple of comments:

1) less difficult trails.. If I'm not mistaken, there were two "hard" trails scheduled per day (sat and sun anyway) and both days, 1 got cancelled due to poor attendance.. I'd recommend 1 hard trail per day only.

2) Sometimes you can't avoid problems, but we should probably try to put suggested minimum equipment for each trail... I'm mostly talking about wheels and tires, since we're getting more LR3's and 4's out there. Nothing ruins someone's day more than attempting a rocky trail that slices up a sidewall. This trail leader knows the feeling.

3) staging area setup was chaotic somewhat. We should try to line up the trucks by trail difficulty, so they go from easy to hard. It's confusing to those who show up and easier for us to coordinate and help them pick.

a general note: I know it's been mentioned before about concerns over having the 2012 so far away from both Phoenix and Tucson. I'd put my name in the ring also as someone who sees a risk here. While it sounds like a great idea, logistically I see problems getting people to commit to such a drive for such things as pre-runs, rally setup.. etc.. the biggest risk is, we almost certainly will lose many tucson folks.

overall the 2011 rally was awesome and I was proud to be a small part of it.

Pierre LeBlanc
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8 years 1 month ago #3004 by douglawyer@gmail.com
Thanks Pierre for the feedback!

The distance thing is a concern and this is exactly why we have this thread opened to see how many people it will affect. Regarding pre-running trails, I am talking with 2 different 4x4 clubs, that hopefully would serve as "guides" for our trail leaders. We would simply state how many trails each day, and at what levels, and we would use their experience to lead us through.

And on the staging area, yes, I agree, it was confusing. That is why I have a specific person directly in charge of this area this year. I hope that will help and they can come up with a great plan for this area. (any takers?)

I think we will keep attracting more and more newer models with less aggressive tires, and we will need to remember to make the trail choices accordingly.


Let's see some more feedback everyone! Thanks.

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8 years 1 month ago #3012 by ipgregory
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With respect to the location I guess the 1st question would be what are we looking to accomplish? What I mean by that is what do we consider the primary purpose of holding the/a rally in the 1st place?

There are really two possible answers that I can see:

1, The Rally is an annual event that we put on for the AZLRO club membership to allow the members to get together 'en masse', run trails, socialize and have a good time. There are secondary benefits in attracting new members and meeting people who may come from other areas to attend.

2, The Rally is an annual event planned to attract as many people as possible, irrespective of their club affiliation. The secondary benefits are attracting new members and giving the AZLRO club members a venue to meet and so on.

If its option 1 then the geographical location should either be local and easily accessible to where the majority of the club members (and potential club members) live or alternatively a location that while slightly further removed is attractive due to the trails or location. An example would be the previous rotating venues of Tucson and Phx where the majority of the club members live and good trails are relatively close by. An example of slightly further but 'interesting' venues would be Sedona or Payson or something along those lines.

If its option 2 then the geographical location should be where the target audience can get to as easily as possible or again alternatively an area of interest due to the trails or location. Lake Havasu is a good example of this as its closer to the California, Nevada and Utah clubs and may attract more attendees from those areas. While the trails are not particularly enticing it's at least 'different' scenery. Something around the Grand Canyon area would be another one likely to attract 'visitors' due to the nature of the area without them having to travel 'all the way' to Phx or Tucson.

So what are we looking to achieve from the location? Better/good attendance from club members or better attendance from others? If it's the 1st then I don't think Lake Havasu is the best selection for a location as it remote for just about every club member. If it's the 2nd then it's a gamble as many of our 'outside' attendees have been coming from places like NM and CO rather than CA, NV or UT so it's tough to say if Lake Havasu will increase the attendees or not. What can be said is that it will most certainly decrease the club member attendance.

My suggestion would be to poll the membership who it's my opinion that a 'club rally' should be being held for and organized around the maximum attendance of the club members 1st. This is a significant decision for the club and whoever makes it is going to be 'wrong' whatever they decide. So I suggest we get input from more than just the smaller number of active forum users who will see this thread and send out a club wide poll. That way the decision is made and nobody can complain. If the club (not the PHX focused council and the handful of active members here on the forum or who attend PHX council led meetings) decides it wants to host a rally in the Lake Havasu area then so be it.

I will leave the whole inability to properly organize and host the rally correctly due to the remote location and lack of knowledge of the area for another time.

Ian Gregory - N1IPG

Current LR Stable: 97 D90 S/T #1008, 94 D90 S/W #1887 (Project), 98 D1 LSE
Memories of: 84 RRC Vogue 4dr, 93 RRC Vogue SE, 84 Ninety 2.5D S/W, 86 Ninety 2.5TD 2dr, 96 D1 SD.

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8 years 1 month ago #3013 by douglawyer@gmail.com
Thanks for the thoughts Ian. Koly is actually working on a survey for the site now.....we are just narrowing down the questions to ask now. We will try to keep it short and simple.

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8 years 1 month ago #3015 by ipgregory
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Think bigger Doug. I know the desire is for this site to be the club communication medium and maybe it will be one day but for now it's not as we've talked about too many times before.

If you're going to send out a Poll then send it to [u:1j85szc4]ALL[/u:1j85szc4] the members, not just the ones that get on here regularly and read/contribute to the posts which is very few overall or the ones who are signed up for the forum but don't get on very often or even the handful of members you interact with regularly at the Phx club meeting. We need to reach those that we only see or hear from occasionally as those are the ones that we need to get more active and the rally in my opinion is one of the primary vehicles we should be using for that.

I don't want to hash out the forum vs. email list again but for now the club website, great though it certainly is, does [u:1j85szc4]NOT [/u:1j85szc4]reach [u:1j85szc4]ALL [/u:1j85szc4]of the club membership. For something like this you need to Poll [u:1j85szc4]ALL [/u:1j85szc4]the members. Email is the only way to do that and I don't mean the registered users list for this site, I mean the members list that the council holds and you have ready access to.

In my post I asked a question. What is the purpose/focus of the AZLRO Club Rally? As the committee chairman you should be able to answer that best?

Ian Gregory - N1IPG

Current LR Stable: 97 D90 S/T #1008, 94 D90 S/W #1887 (Project), 98 D1 LSE
Memories of: 84 RRC Vogue 4dr, 93 RRC Vogue SE, 84 Ninety 2.5D S/W, 86 Ninety 2.5TD 2dr, 96 D1 SD.

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8 years 1 month ago #3016 by douglawyer@gmail.com
Maybe we can throw an email to all members to visit the site to take the survey then.

As far as the purpose goes, I would say it's a little of both.

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8 years 1 month ago #3017 by 05LR3AZ
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douglawyer@gmail.com wrote: Maybe we can throw an email to all members to visit the site to take the survey then.

As far as the purpose goes, I would say it's a little of both.

I would say it's a little of both as well.

Do we always want to do the same trails, Phx and Tucson? That's what the monthly trails (or however often) are good for. (taking off my council hat) as a member I'd really like to check out new areas on a larger scale. Yes, the logistics arent as easy as say Phx or Tucson (local) but there is still intrigue in new locations to explore and drive.

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8 years 1 month ago #3018 by ipgregory
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I agree with you Shaun about the same old trails but why do we need to go to the other side of the state to try new trails when there are no doubt many in the surrounding areas that we haven't looked for to change things out/around a bit? We've talked about this before and I am as guilty as any other in not having had the time to take this further but it seems a better option than putting the clubs premier annual event in a location where many of the members may not attend (pending the Poll of course).

I disagree with both of you on what the focus should be. It's a [u:1f3hk7qs]Club Rally[/u:1f3hk7qs]. The definition of which is a meeting of 'the club'. This should be the 1st and foremost consideration when these types of decisions come up. If something is being considered that will deter participation of club members then it should be a no brainer as to what the best course should be. If the even becomes successful due to the hard work and participation of the club and it attracts people from other areas then that should be considered a bonus not a principal focus.

The club pays money to support this effort (buying raffle prizes for example) so the event should be for and of the club with others welcome if they want to pay and attend. Not the other way round as it seems like it is going.

If you guys as a group want to hold an Arizona Area Rally then it is not an AZLRO Rally and should not be paid for in any way by the club and it should be a separate entity in its own right. If it's an AZLRO Rally then it's just that an [u:1f3hk7qs]AZLRO [/u:1f3hk7qs]Rally.

I guess my position on the 'host it in Lake Havasu?' question is pretty obvious but you did ask for opinions.

Good idea on the Poll Doug. Use the site for the Poll but make sure you contact ALL members to let them know about it.

Ian Gregory - N1IPG

Current LR Stable: 97 D90 S/T #1008, 94 D90 S/W #1887 (Project), 98 D1 LSE
Memories of: 84 RRC Vogue 4dr, 93 RRC Vogue SE, 84 Ninety 2.5D S/W, 86 Ninety 2.5TD 2dr, 96 D1 SD.

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8 years 1 month ago #3019 by Red October
I like the idea of scouting out new trails and not the same old ones. Granted I've hardly been on any compared to most of these guys here.

One idea that was tossed around was to have it in Monument Valley. But it's a red tape-logistical nightmare with it being on a reservation. I thought it would be nice to scout out eastern Arizona...until it burned down :(

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8 years 1 month ago #3020 by AGENT86
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It seems if you move the event to Lake Havasu, many local people may not attend due to the extra time and expenses involved in having at such a distance from the majority of the membership. Besides the considerable distance (time outlay), members will have to camp ($$), eat more meals out($$), or pay for a motel/hotel room ($$$). Some people last year, only came to one or 2 days events, with the distance involved to travel to Havasu, many of those probably wouldn't come for a few hours on the trail. I could be wrong, but it seems most of the participants come from the Phoenix area, where they are able to base the event out of their own home. Myself, coming from Reno NV, Havasu would be closer, but for us, this is more of a vacation of which the AZLRO Rally is just one component of the adventure.

Dennis M

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8 years 1 month ago #3027 by 05LR3AZ
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Like Dennis said the Rally is typically more of a mini vacation for me and the family. I kind of like it to be a little ways away from our house.

And remember that we now have members from other states so their needs should be considered for 1 event out of the year since most don't attend monthly meetings or driving events. Regardless of the location I still have to pay for hotel (or camp), food, gas, etc. so the only hurdle is how far to travel for the rally since pre-running trails would take a little planning. I look at it this way though: If I had to prerun in Tucson (2+hrs), Flagstaff (2+hrs), Lake Havasu (2.5hrs), Phx (1hr) I'm travelling regardless. Gold Canyon was 1.5hrs for me and I was out there alot before the rally. I did that to ensure the club had a great event and I knew the trails to assist others.

Also, club funds don't buy the raffle items for the rally. Those were contributions from sponsors or based on funds provided by sponors. We worked VERY hard on obtaining such a long list of sponsors.

We are the Arizona Land Rover Owners, not the Phx or Tucson so to take advantage of various parts of the state if planned accordingly doesn't seem unreasonable. Yes, it may adversely alter plans for some owners who may now say they can't attend. But who's to say it doesn't favorable alter plans for still others?

Other points to take into account: Having a venue large enough as well as economically feasible. The Gold Canyon rally was quite pricey just for event headquarters and 1 meal. The casino in Fountain Hills I've been told provided better rates since they wanted to draw in as many people as possible. In preliminary research Lake Havasu and its resorts would be priced better than last years rally.
The area to support us with enough trails for 50+ vehicles. If we were in Sedona (for example) there are enough trails even taking into account Flagstaff and Jerome but having participants driving quite a ways from Rally Headquarters. I love those areas but we do want 'time' should be considered.

I say we should consider such new ideas. If after it doesn't meet our standards then we know for the future but just to switch back and forth from one metro to another isn't a good idea either in my opinion.

Poll - yes, all members should be considered. So, we should email everyone the link to the forum and it's poll and gather thoughts since this is the primary manner of communication and posting information to the club and its members.

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8 years 1 month ago #3029 by ronrwatkins
I too will have to drive a long distance 2+ hours regardless of where it is held for the 2012 Rally plus the fact that I will have to attend all 3 days (due to volunteer duties). Gold Canyon was a good 1.5 hr one way; Tucson would probably be close to 3 hrs, Lake Havasu 2.5-3 hrs. I missed vendor night because it was too far for me to have to drive to after work. (I was extremely disappointed)

I did not overnite in Gold Canyon due to the fact that no hotels would allow me to have dogs. Yes, I hated having to drive that far every day - it made for extremely long days, especially when you added a evening function on top of it. No, as it was my intro into the club, I was not willing to invest in a lot of camping gear that I do not own to forgo all the driving.

The reason I am open to Lake Havasu, is it is an area I would otherwise never explore. I generally take Henry out somewhere almost every weekend and have had the opportunity to see many places that I never have seen - but my exploring has been mainly with members from the PHX area.

Because we have a large number of Tucson members, I keep hoping that we will see more trail runs posted in the Tucson area that I can take Henry on(and include other LR3/LR4s). I have stated numerous times, I would be willing to drive down to Tucson to go on trail runs. I hear there are many really cool trails down there.

So to recap - Lake Havasu is appealing as not somewhere I would normally go.

PHX / Sedona / Flagstaff / Payson / Gold Canyon - all places I regularly visit with members in the PHX area.

Tucson & surrounding areas - all places I should have the opportunity to be introduced to & regularly visit with members from the Tucson area.

Diana
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8 years 1 month ago #3032 by James Howard
My vote is for Lake Havasu or Parker. Or at least anywhere but in Tucsonorphoenix. I really don't want to pay money for a rally in a place where I can just go drive the trails whenever I want.

The Parker area is awesome for the variety of cool trails, old mines, and awesome vistas.

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8 years 1 month ago #3034 by puneetbhalla
I like the Sedona/Flagstaff suggestion but will make it for a day or two even if its in Parker/Lake Havasu. <!-- s:drivin: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_driving.gif" alt=":drivin:" title="drivin" /><!-- s:drivin: -->
Obviously, with the different climate in the above two locations the rally dates will need to be adjusted according to the planned venue site.

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8 years 1 month ago #3038 by comater
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FWIW, There is a Parker club event weekend in November. Some of us could go run trails with them and see what's there, maybe make some friends.

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8 years 1 month ago #3044 by ipgregory
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It sounds like we're committed to polling the club membership about the location. I think that is the best plan since potentially taking the rally away from the metro areas will quite likely affect club member turnout. So as Doug suggested and if Koly is willing, let's put a poll up on the web site then email the member roll to tell them where they can cast their vote.

Diana, a number of the Tucson members are tied up with long running truck projects right now (5 of us where busy all this last weekend working on a number of trucks for example) so they are not getting out much to run trails. Not sure what the others are doing since I don't see anything posted. This time of year is traditionally very quiet though due to the heat so probably not a lot is happening. There are also some areas that cover some of the popular trails closed due to wildfire risks. The BAJA-azlro email list is where some of the crowd will post up runs if they are going somewhere as well since some members don't use the forum.

Ian Gregory - N1IPG

Current LR Stable: 97 D90 S/T #1008, 94 D90 S/W #1887 (Project), 98 D1 LSE
Memories of: 84 RRC Vogue 4dr, 93 RRC Vogue SE, 84 Ninety 2.5D S/W, 86 Ninety 2.5TD 2dr, 96 D1 SD.

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8 years 1 month ago #3045 by admin
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Yes, we're putting together a poll. Hope to have it out later this week.

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8 years 1 month ago #3046 by ipgregory
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James Howard wrote: I really don't want to pay money for a rally in a place where I can just go drive the trails whenever I want.


That brings up an interesting point James and I open the question to the forum. Why do we pay money to go to the rally? Why do we even host a rally in the 1st place?

Is it so we can run trails or is it for bringing the club together annually for an event so people who may not get chance to meet otherwise can meet other members and socialize? To attract new members and possibly people from other areas? To introduce people to trail running and give them a chance to try out their vehicles on all manner of different trail types in a better fashion than waiting months for a trail to come up in rotation as a club run that they might want to try? To allow people who may not have developed the confidence to try out this 4 wheeling thing in an organized and structured way?

What do people see the rally as?

Ian Gregory - N1IPG

Current LR Stable: 97 D90 S/T #1008, 94 D90 S/W #1887 (Project), 98 D1 LSE
Memories of: 84 RRC Vogue 4dr, 93 RRC Vogue SE, 84 Ninety 2.5D S/W, 86 Ninety 2.5TD 2dr, 96 D1 SD.

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8 years 1 month ago #3047 by ipgregory
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admin wrote: Yes, we're putting together a poll. Hope to have it out later this week.


Cool, thanks Bob.

Ian Gregory - N1IPG

Current LR Stable: 97 D90 S/T #1008, 94 D90 S/W #1887 (Project), 98 D1 LSE
Memories of: 84 RRC Vogue 4dr, 93 RRC Vogue SE, 84 Ninety 2.5D S/W, 86 Ninety 2.5TD 2dr, 96 D1 SD.

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8 years 1 month ago #3048 by ipgregory
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05LR3AZ wrote: Also, club funds don't buy the raffle items for the rally.


Didn't we contribute $1,000 out of club funds last year to purchase raffle items for the Raffle?

Ian Gregory - N1IPG

Current LR Stable: 97 D90 S/T #1008, 94 D90 S/W #1887 (Project), 98 D1 LSE
Memories of: 84 RRC Vogue 4dr, 93 RRC Vogue SE, 84 Ninety 2.5D S/W, 86 Ninety 2.5TD 2dr, 96 D1 SD.

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8 years 1 month ago #3050 by douglawyer@gmail.com
Yes, but the funds came from sponsors, as all of them had to pay money to become sponsors, not just donate raffle items.

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8 years 1 month ago #3052 by ipgregory
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So were they rally funds then or club funds as we were told at the rally? I guess the question is does the money the sponsors pay go towards the club or towards funding the rally? That opens 2 more questions in my mind.

Waht happens to any money left over after the rally is paid for? Does it go to the club?
What happens if the rally doesn't make enough money to cover its costs? Does the club pay the difference?

Ian Gregory - N1IPG

Current LR Stable: 97 D90 S/T #1008, 94 D90 S/W #1887 (Project), 98 D1 LSE
Memories of: 84 RRC Vogue 4dr, 93 RRC Vogue SE, 84 Ninety 2.5D S/W, 86 Ninety 2.5TD 2dr, 96 D1 SD.

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8 years 1 month ago #3054 by douglawyer@gmail.com
As long as I have been involved with the club and rally, the rally has always made money. Either way you want to look at it, the funds come from the club. We do not have 2 separate accounts to tract funds. The sponsor monies go into the general account, and the funds to buy more raffle items come from the general account. However, I don't believe that every year we felt like we needed to spend the extra $1000 to buy raffle items. In past years, the rally was smaller, and we felt that the items provided by the sponsors was adequate for the raffle. The last 2 years we have set a budget of $1000 to buy raffle items.

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8 years 1 month ago #3055 by ipgregory
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Thanks Doug.

Ian Gregory - N1IPG

Current LR Stable: 97 D90 S/T #1008, 94 D90 S/W #1887 (Project), 98 D1 LSE
Memories of: 84 RRC Vogue 4dr, 93 RRC Vogue SE, 84 Ninety 2.5D S/W, 86 Ninety 2.5TD 2dr, 96 D1 SD.

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8 years 1 month ago #3056 by ronrwatkins

ipgregory wrote:
Diana, a number of the Tucson members are tied up with long running truck projects right now (5 of us where busy all this last weekend working on a number of trucks for example) so they are not getting out much to run trails. Not sure what the others are doing since I don't see anything posted. This time of year is traditionally very quiet though due to the heat so probably not a lot is happening. There are also some areas that cover some of the popular trails closed due to wildfire risks. The BAJA-azlro email list is where some of the crowd will post up runs if they are going somewhere as well since some members don't use the forum.


Hmm, I don't believe that I am on the BAJA-azlro list. I can appreciate it's a slow time of year. But I am always hopeful <!-- s:silly: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_silly.png" alt=":silly:" title="silly" /><!-- s:silly: --> I imagine that once I find a D1 or RRC for my sister, some weekends will be going to working on that rig as well. Which reminds me - if you or any other Tucson member happens to hear of a good deal on a D1 or RRC, will you let me know? It seems in talking w/Mike Mc. better deals are to be had in your neck of the woods! Any assistance would be much appreciated!

Diana
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8 years 1 month ago #3057 by ipgregory
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You're welcome to join. Just send an email to <!-- e --><a href="mailto:baja-azlro@googlegroups.com]baja-azlro@googlegroups.com[/url]<!-- e --> from the email address you want to use and you're good to go.

Ian Gregory - N1IPG

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Memories of: 84 RRC Vogue 4dr, 93 RRC Vogue SE, 84 Ninety 2.5D S/W, 86 Ninety 2.5TD 2dr, 96 D1 SD.

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8 years 1 month ago #3074 by ipgregory
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Di_s_Henry wrote: Because we have a large number of Tucson members, I keep hoping that we will see more trail runs posted in the Tucson area that I can take Henry on(and include other LR3/LR4s). I have stated numerous times, I would be willing to drive down to Tucson to go on trail runs. I hear there are many really cool trails down there.


I was thinking about this Diana and I think your best bet is to get in contact with James and Kelly H, Chuck P or Andreas R down in Tucson. These guys mostly do the more 'family friendly' stuff with camp outs, scenic drives, explorations, hiking, that sort of thing. I think you have young children? If so then they host the Rover Divas and they might invite your kids to join which would give them something to do on the trails and get them more involved.

Not sure how they schedule or organize their trips as I don't see much posted other then mostly after the fact stuff so you may need to email them directly or something.

There are loads of historic and scenic trails in the areas around Tucson to explore.

Ian Gregory - N1IPG

Current LR Stable: 97 D90 S/T #1008, 94 D90 S/W #1887 (Project), 98 D1 LSE
Memories of: 84 RRC Vogue 4dr, 93 RRC Vogue SE, 84 Ninety 2.5D S/W, 86 Ninety 2.5TD 2dr, 96 D1 SD.

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8 years 1 month ago #3075 by ronrwatkins
Bite your tongue! I have no kids except for my puppy dogs. <!-- s:eek2: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_eek2.gif" alt=":eek2:" title="eek" /><!-- s:eek2: --> (no offensive intended against any who have kids)

While I like hiking &amp; off-roading, I want to be able to see new places and experience new challenges. Looking to improving my driving abilities as I seem to find time &amp; time again, is not &quot;Henry&quot; holding me back, it's my ability to drive Henry. :( I also want to learn the fine art of spotting.

But if you are uninviting me...I understand too. I can't (and mostly won't) do the really hard core stuff. It's not always fun to have a less experienced driver to have to watch out for.

Diana
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8 years 1 month ago #3078 by ipgregory
Replied by ipgregory on topic Upcoming 2012 Rally Input
Not at all, any and all are always welcome. There might be a trail or 2 that we would suggest you not attempt to take the LR4 through though.

Its a shame about the current border issues as we used to run an awesome trail exploring various ghost towns all the way down to the border and back but we haven't done it for a few years.

I am sure there will be some trail runs start to crop up on the BAJA later when it cools off some.

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8 years 1 month ago #3081 by ronrwatkins
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Diana
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8 years 1 month ago #3082 by Kelly
Replied by Kelly on topic Upcoming 2012 Rally Input
I like the idea of Havasu or Parker. I know the idea of Sedona and Flagstaff have been thrown around. Sedona will require permits and tons of logistics with the Forest Service. Having lived in Flagstaff for 12 years I know many of the roads and trails. The main problem with Flagstaff is there are not many hard trails for those who want that kind of trail.

James, Grace and I went to the Parker Rally that was mentioned in this thread, last November. They were a great club and we have put the council in touch with those folks. I believe those are the 'guides' Doug was speaking about. They were so funny. At the dinner we heard one trail leader speaking to some other trail leaders. They were saying, &quot;Did you hear Mike took a motorhome up his trail today.&quot; We came to find out we were the motorhome. It was a fun weekend. Grace loved the car crush. I would recommend it to anyone.

Also, James, Grace and I have spent weeks exploring the Buckskin Mts near Parker. It is one of my favorite areas in AZ. Lots of cool stuff to find and you are lucky if you see two other trucks a day. I have not explored around Havasu, but would love the opportunity.

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8 years 1 month ago #3084 by ronrwatkins
If we do have the Rally in the Lake Havasu area. Is the idea of tacking on a couple of additional days to explore Hole in the Rock or Moab still a consideration?

Diana
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8 years 1 month ago #3085 by admin
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Di_s_Henry wrote: If we do have the Rally in the Lake Havasu area. Is the idea of tacking on a couple of additional days to explore Hole in the Rock or Moab still a consideration?

I'd recommend more than 'a couple' additional days. Hole in the Rock and Moab are each 9+ hours from Parker. You'd definitely want 3-5 days to run Hole with Henry.

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8 years 1 month ago #3086 by douglawyer@gmail.com
I would gladly welcome leading a Hole in the Rock run after the rally. The thought came up before, as we were going to try to coordinate our rally the weekend before or after the Overland Expo. And the thought was while some where in AZ for both events, rather than having a down week between events, we would take those interested running Hole in the Rock. Depending on schedule in April, I would still love to run the trail after the rally. We'll see how the planning goes and where we end up on dates. Although, Diana, Hole in the Rock in a pretty extreme trail and you could end up with some minor damage. Not sure if you were interested in doing it or just interested in general?

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8 years 1 month ago #3089 by ronrwatkins
ok - as we all know, any damage to Henry, even minor causes me to cryface in a big way <!-- s:dizzy: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_dizzy.png" alt=":dizzy:" title="dizzy" /><!-- s:dizzy: --> and you'll know how whinny I can get.

If Henry cannot survive Hole in the Rock w/out damage, then perhaps Moab or even somewhere in Vegas or S. Cali would be cool. I am wondering from a planning perspective if I should allot for additional time off. I am open to any new, fun, challenging and exciting places. <!-- s:thumbup: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_1thumb_up.gif" alt=":thumbup:" title="thumbsup" /><!-- s:thumbup: -->

Another consideration on post AZLRO rally target location - it appears next yrs National Rally will be 6/19-23 in Moab.

Diana
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8 years 1 month ago #3092 by Ted
Replied by Ted on topic Upcoming 2012 Rally Input
Just want to mention the weather factor. I believe we have mostly settled on promoting the AZLRO rally as a Spring event, so as not to compete with Solihull and to bolt-on to a few other evernts (Overland Expo, EJS) allowing travelers and snowbirds to put together an itinerary around this.

That said, the issue with a Payson/Flagstaff or Show Low/White Mountains is the very good likelihood of snow. Recall that even in Tucson, we cancelled some trails due to snow last time.

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8 years 1 month ago #3094 by douglawyer@gmail.com
Yes, good point about weather. Events we have found to steer clear of in the Spring are:

Tierra Del Sol.....first week of March (Southern Cali)
Easter Jeep Safari....first week in April (Moab)
Solihull National LR Rall....June (Moab)
Overland Expo.....June (Flagstaff)

Additionally, we will set dates hopefully in the middle of April, which would be a couple of weeks PAST the Spring Break insanity in Lake Havasu. I think we are looking good for not only attendees but no competing events to draw potential sponsors away as well.

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8 years 3 weeks ago #3135 by ipgregory
Replied by ipgregory on topic Upcoming 2012 Rally Input
The Oveland Expo is going to be in Flagstaff this year Doug and they moved it to June?

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8 years 3 weeks ago #3136 by douglawyer@gmail.com
Yes, that is the latest from Roseann at least.

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8 years 3 weeks ago #3137 by ipgregory
Replied by ipgregory on topic Upcoming 2012 Rally Input
Interesting, thanks.

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Current LR Stable: 97 D90 S/T #1008, 94 D90 S/W #1887 (Project), 98 D1 LSE
Memories of: 84 RRC Vogue 4dr, 93 RRC Vogue SE, 84 Ninety 2.5D S/W, 86 Ninety 2.5TD 2dr, 96 D1 SD.

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8 years 1 week ago #3227 by James Howard
The Overland Expo will be in Flagstaff (or, more specifically, 45 minutes south of FLG at the Mormon Lake Lodge) May 18,19,&amp; 20th.

That will be a great venue. It is a really nice area, with plenty of room, plenty of forest roads to explore/camp off of, and no dust.

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