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El Camino del Diablo over New Years

2 years 11 months ago - 2 years 11 months ago #8697 by DirkV
[Edited to move dates back 1 day]
I'm hoping to run the El Camino del Diable over New Year's this year. Anybody interested in joining Laurie and me on a trip?
We'll be departing San Diego the morning of the 30th, so looking to take the trail from west to east. Here's the tentative schedule.
Dec. 31 (Thur.) Meet at west end of trail (Yuma side) early afternoon. Camp at Fortuna Mine area.
Jan 1. (Fri.) Trail drive. Camp at Tinajas?
Jan 2. (Sat.) Trail drive. Camp on trail?
Jan 3. (Sun.) Come out at Ajo. End trail and return home.

I've checked a few recent reports, and the word is that Border Patrol presence is strong. Also the BP has done a fair amount of trail grading, so it's not a technically challenging trail, but still scenic and historic. All the same, I'm thinking this would be better with at least a couple vehicles.
Let me know if you are interested. I'll coordinate permits.

Here are some links about history, border issues, etc.
expeditionportal.com/on-the-devils-doorstep/
www.fourwheeler.com/events/129-1101-el-camino-del-diablo/
www.expeditionportal.com/forum/threads/9...o-2006-(Trip-Report)
www.expeditionportal.com/forum/threads/1...El-Camino-Del-Diablo
www.expeditionportal.com/forum/threads/1...Diablo-2-27-3-2-2014

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2 years 11 months ago #8704 by koly
Is it okay if I post this trip on the events page and also feature it on the homepage?

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2 years 11 months ago #8706 by DirkV
Hi, Sure.
I've been loading GPS files, researching camp spots and interesting waypoints along the trail.
I'll want to keep it 4 or 5 vehicles max. One report said that you need a special group permit for larger groups.

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2 years 11 months ago #8707 by Glenn P38
Hi Drirk,

I know you said the dates are tentative, but what are the chances of doing it thur-sun instead of wed-sat? Did you do it last year? I thought I remember posts about it. I'm guessing 20 gallons of extra fuel? This trail is on my to do list. Just trying to figure out the logistics of it.

Thanks,

Glenn

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2 years 11 months ago #8708 by DirkV
Hi Glenn, hope you can make it!
Jon Christensen is also planning to go. I'll check with him about moving the schedule back a day to Thur - Sun, but that would work for me.
Here's a good link for planning: www.expeditionportal.com/forum/threads/1...ils-Highway-March-15
And here are some excerpts from that thread that seem very sensible:
"Vehicle requirements are 4x4 with two speed transfer case, minimum tire size 32", all 5 in good condition, frame mounted tow hooks both ends, working CB radio or HAM and all the usual safety and recovery gear. Your rig must be in good mechanical condition. A tow out from the ECDD could cost thousands. Small off-road trailers will be fine. You need to have a fuel range of about 150 miles in the dirt and food, water, drinks for five days without resupply. ...We will all be required to get permits to cross the bombing range and wildlife refuge. ...The permit can by picked up in Yuma at the BLM office. Or if it's more convenient you can go to the Phoenix BLM office."
I have 2 Kolpin gas containers with total capacity of 9 gal, and I don't expect to need them, but I wouldn't go without them.

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2 years 11 months ago #8709 by koly
Dirk - I've added your trip to the Events section, and limited the number of RSVPs on it as well. I've made you the owner of the event, so you can update any information (departure, etc) as needed.

www.azlro.org/index.php?option=com_jem&v...el-diablo&Itemid=346

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2 years 11 months ago #8710 by DirkV
Glenn, I checked with Jon, and he's fine with moving the trip to start on the 31st (Thur) instead of 30th. So I've changed the dates. We're both pretty flexible, so I hope you can make the trip, but don't feel pressured if you still have other things to clear.

Bob, thanks for the added visibility.

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2 years 11 months ago #8713 by Glenn P38
Hi,

I've got to clear it with my boss for the time off. He won't be back in the office until Thursday. If other people commit to it before then, that's fine. I hope I can make this trip! Jon, are you taking the Tacoma or is one of the Rovers done?

thanks,

glenn

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2 years 11 months ago #8730 by DirkV
Hi Glenn, Do you plan to attend the club meeting this Thur.? I'll be there if you, or anybody else, want to coordinate.
Jon hopes to attend the club mtg, but isn't positive he can make it.

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2 years 11 months ago #8733 by Glenn P38
Hi Dirk,

I moved to Denver in June...I show up for a lot of stuff still because I time my return home around events as much as I can. I would say it's 65/35 that I will be able to go on the trip. I'm trying to coordinate with my brother on getting stuff ready for me so I can fly in then drive to Yuma to meet up. Thanks for being patient.

Glenn

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2 years 11 months ago #8738 by Redriderrick
Dirk, you can move me up to 100%!

I RSVPed on the event page. There's a chance Julie and I will be arriving early that first evening instead of late afternoon, but don't mind finding you guys on the trail in the dark if it comes to that (radio contact with your Lat/Long is all we'll need).

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2 years 11 months ago #8739 by DirkV
Hi Rick, Al, so glad to have you join.
Rick, Laurie and I will be in the area Wednesday, so I plan to scout the first day's ride. I'll try to get coordinates for camp on Wed.
And I've read some trip reports that specify good campsites on the western end, so we'll work it out.

If anybody else is interested, in addition to Glenn, let me know, and I'll find specifics about group limits.

We'll start doing some planning about meals, firewood, and such. Looking forward to this with a great group.

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2 years 10 months ago #8741 by DirkV
Hi all,
Here's the word on permits.
Each individual must have a permit. With Border Patrol checking, I wouldn't risk the fine and escort to out of the restricted area. The permit is free, and a single permit covers the Barry Goldwater range and Cabeza Prieta Wilderness area, and you get some good maps. But you have to watch a safety video (approx 10 min) and then sign a hold-harmless agreement. I asked if I could get a clutch of the agreements for our group, but no, every person must watch and sign in person.
There are a few locations:
  • BLM Phoenix Field Office, 21605 N. 7th Ave, 85027 (near Deer Valley Airport). Phone: 623-580-5500.
  • There is also an office on Central Ave in downtown Phx. I don't know the address, but you can call at 602 417-9200.
  • There is also a location in Yuma, at or near the Marine Corps Air Station visitor center. I read that the address is Range Permits, 3980 Ave 3 East, Yuma, AZ 85365. The number is 928 269 7150. I'd suggest getting the permits in town. That seems like a possible black-hole time sink if you have to pick it up the day we hit the trail. I don't even know if it's open on New Years Eve day.
I'll be arriving in Yuma the day before we officially start, on Wed. the 30th. I can probably get discount motel rooms at Choice Hotels, so if anyone wants to start early, let me know. I plan to pre-run some of the Thur. route (hopefully get camp gps coordinates Rick), maybe check out the mining museum and Proving Grounds museum north of town, stuff like that.

For the official trip, I'm thinking that we'll meet at noon on the 31st off of I-8 Foothills Blvd exit (exit 14), top off gas and hit the trail. Enter Barry Goldwater Range and spend an hr or 2 exploring Fortuna Mine, then proceed south and take Cipriano Pass to the east side of the range. Camp around there or Vopoki Ridge or thereabouts.
Fri, head down the east side of the mountains to the Tinjas Altas tanks, and have lunch and explore there. Then proceed east along the border to Tule Well. Explore. Head up Christmas Pass, and set up camp there.
Sat. I'm still working out plans. It seems the best camp option is Papago Well, but it's not very far. It seems that there's some interesting sights heading north on Christmas Pass, so maybe do a little out and back that way. There are more interesting stops on El Camino Del Diable (O'Neil Hills and gravesite). Camp at Papago Well.
Sun. Head back to civilization, but explore Bates Well and other sites along the way. Maybe get into Ajo for a late lunch (there's supposed to be a good burger/beer joint).

That's enough planning for now; it's getting late. As mentioned at the mtg, suggestions appreciated.
Here's what the permit looks like:
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2 years 10 months ago #8746 by Glenn P38
Hi Dirk,

I'm still trying to figure things out. Looks like my brother can't go. If I can get my brother to help me out, I should be able to go still. It'll be a lot of driving to meet you guys in Yuma from Denver but I really want to go! I'll let you know as soon as I know.

Thanks,

Glenn

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2 years 10 months ago #8748 by Glenn P38
Hi Dirk,

I called the BLM in CO to see if I could get a permit here, and she said she couldn't find anything about a permit for that area. She gave me the 602 417 9200 BLM number. I called that number and the very nice lady (no sarcasm) informed me that in 2001 BLM stopped issuing permits for Camino/Goldwater and to call the Marine base for a permit. Did you run into any of this? Any idea if she's correct? It sounds like you got it taken care of in Phoenix.

Thanks,

Glenn

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2 years 10 months ago #8749 by DirkV
Hi Glen, I called both Phoenix numbers and talked to real people who said I could get the permit there, so you must have gotten an ignorant rep (lunchtime replacement or something?). The 7th Ave location is closer for me, so that's where I went.
I hope you can make it. Unless you can talk them into letting you get the permit without an in-person visit, I was thinking you'd probably end up getting your permit at the Marine base in Yuma.
If you can get down here, we'll make it work. If you can talk the Phoenix BLM into letting you fax the form or something, let me know if I can help out.

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2 years 10 months ago #8750 by Redriderrick
Just checking in for the weekend. I finished my radio install this week and passed my HAM Technician test yesterday, so my comms are handled (when I get my call sign). Julie and I will be going to the BLM office on Tuesday morning for our permits. I will bring enough firewood for three nights. How would you guys like to handle food? Everyone on their own the whole time, just for lunches, communal dinners or some other idea? We're set up primarily to cook for two, but I'm certainly capable of doing more.

Getting excited!

Rick

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2 years 10 months ago #8751 by DirkV
Sounds good, Rick. I was thinking it would be good to start an email thread for some of the planning details, e.g., food and such.
Rick, I still have your email from the Rally. Jon, I have yours, thanks.
Al, could you send me your email address? I tried to PM you, but couldn't get it to work on this site. You could text me your email or call me on 48O-242-9two63.

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2 years 10 months ago #8752 by jonc97
I programmed the following repeaters into my radio:

Location: Yuma
Frequency: 146.620
PL-Tone: 103.5

Location: Ajo
Frequency: 145.310
PL-Tone: 100.0

Hopefully this will give us enough coverage.

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2 years 10 months ago #8753 by Glenn P38
So I wasn't able to talk to anybody at BLM today (Government entity, off at 4:00), but I did find this on their website:

Camino del Diablo/Area A/Goldwater Range

Stay on trails! No rough riding. Located in the southwestern part of Arizona, the Barry Goldwater Range requires a free access permit for entry.

The permits are issued at:
•Range Management Department – Yuma (928) 269-2458
•Gila Bend Air Force Auxiliary Field/Security Operations – Gila Bend (928) 683-6200 or (928) 683-6220
•56th Range Management/Public Affairs – Luke Air Force Base (623) 856-8516
•Bureau of Land Management – Phoenix Field Office (623) 580-5500
•Information Center of the State Office (BLM) – Phoenix (602) 417-9300
•Cabeza Prieta National Wildlife Refuge – Ajo (520) 387-6483

I will call them tomorrow to see the best way for me to proceed. Hope this info helps everybody. It's pretty much exactly what Dirk said.

Glenn

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2 years 10 months ago #8755 by alkellymct
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Phone: 480.518.1657

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2 years 10 months ago - 2 years 10 months ago #8756 by Redriderrick
E-mail thread started (Dirk and Al). Julie and I got our permits this morning!



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2 years 10 months ago #8757 by Glenn P38
I talked to very unhelpful and rude people at Yuma Range Management and "they might be open on the 31st. You'll have to call or come down then to find out." I also talked to a guy at the BLM field office (I assume its the 7th ave location) and he said they would be open for sure on the 31st in the morning but closing early so I could get the permit there on my way to Yuma. So, if I can get my brother to gather all the camping gear and have everything ready, I'm almost positive I can make it. I'd have to drive into Phx, load up, sleep, get the permit, and meet you in Yuma....I will talk to him on the 25th and get it worked out.

Have you guys been emailing about what is needed individually and what is being pulled as far as supplies? I will be taking my Expedition so I should have plenty of room.

Thanks,

Glenn

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2 years 10 months ago #8758 by DirkV
Hi Glenn, Sounds great. Can you send me your email, and then we'll get you on that thread. Planning meals and such.
See you soon!

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2 years 10 months ago #8759 by DirkV
Hi Glenn, Sounds great. Can you send me your email, and then we'll get you on that thread. Planning meals and such.
See you soon!

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2 years 10 months ago #8760 by Glenn P38
Hi Dirk,

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thanks,

glenn

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2 years 9 months ago - 2 years 9 months ago #8790 by jonc97
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